Showing posts with label approximation. Show all posts
Showing posts with label approximation. Show all posts

Wednesday, July 15, 2015

Some comparisons (two tmwyk transcripts and a puzzle)

who: J1
when: just before bedtime

the value of being alive

J1: Daddy, now I've got a question for you
J0: Ok?
J1: if I get a new book every time I write 20 pages in my journal, how valuable is each page?
J1: The books are about 150 baht
J0: How much?
J1: let me check, I think the price is on the back cover . . . 169 baht
J0: if you could tell me what I need to calculate, I'll calculate for you
J1: hmm, so 20 pages is 169 baht, I want to know how much one page is, so I need to divide by 20.
J0: do you think it will be more or less than 10?
J1: less than 10
J0; Are you sure? How do you know?
J1: Well, 10 * 20 is 200 which is more than 169
J0: what about 5 baht per page? Is it more or less than that?
J1: More, 5* 20 is half of 10*20, so 100, which is less than 169.
....
<we figure out that the amount per page is 8.45 baht/page>
....
J1: That's not very much!
J0: How much did you get for your birthday?
J1: [x] from grandma, [x] from grandpa
J0: well, how much is that per day. Is it more or less than 10?
J1: More than 10
J0: how <interrupted>
J1: how do I know? well . . .10 * 365 is ...
<some discussion of whether he was right, various other estimates of the amount of money per day>
J0: How does that compare with each page of your journal?
J1: More...but what if I include the [present a] and [present b]?
...
<he estimates how much different presents cost, figures the total, estimates how much that is per day, etc>
...
J3 (who has been listening all this time): wow, J1, that's a lot of money!

J3 explores bricks

Earlier in the evening, J3 has been building sticks with 1x1x1 TRIO cubes. She made four, all the same length, then handed two to me as drumsticks. I counted the cubes in one (I got 11) and then she counted one of hers (she got 12). I put them side-by-side and we saw they were the same length.

J3: but...daddy, I really counted 12, you are wrong
J0: are you sure they should have the same number.
J3: yes, let's count them again, together
<I point at the cubes and she counts them, 11>
J3: Ok, now I'm going to build a shape and you see if you can make a copy. It will be tricky!

A birthday puzzle

With their current ages expressed as whole years (you know, the way everyone talks about ages, except for mothers of very small children):

  1. What is a number sentence that relates the ages of J1, J2 and J3? Hint, oldest is 8, middle 5, and youngest 3
  2. Will this ever be true again?
  3. Was it ever true in the past?
  4. When/why not?
  5. What about multiplying? Will it ever be the case that AgeY(J1) = AgeY(J2) * AgeY(J3)?
  6. Was this ever true in the past?
  7. When/why not?
Note that there is a complication since they were not all born on the same day, so the difference in their year ages changes depending on the day of the year we are considering.

J2 wanted to investigate more precisely, so he asked to work things out in months. That meant we had to calculate how many months are between them.

Monday, June 8, 2015

Math is all around (proof without words)

Ok, I can't resist writing a little explanation. These are pictures of activities from the last 2 months that never quite made it into blog posts or, if they did, I just like the pictures and wanted to show them again.



A fractal tree made from rummy king tiles (part of our Natural Math/Moebius Noodles Multiplication explorers course):

Another fractal tree:

Is it an alien or a self-similar bug? How many body segments would we need to draw for the next smaller level?

Family Tree fractal:

I think this was a substitution fractal, again, Multiplication Explorers:

Halving sequence, another activity from the Multiplication Explorers course:

This little piece was 1/16536th of the starting square (2-14)

How many animal hybrids can we make?

Many ways to make a whole. How many ...?

Even in the round:

A version of Pascal's triangle made into a puzzle. I think we made all the cells mod 10. Hand cut!


Some pictures we saw at an exhibit in one of the halls at NASA in Houston. We did our own calculations and didn't agree with their claims about how many stamps or how many coins were used.








Finally, a couple of nice magic squares, fraternal twins or identical? I can't take credit for this, but don't remember where I saw it (prob on twitter):

Thursday, March 19, 2015

Bedtime math extensions

Who: J1 and J2
Where: all around the house
When: 6 am

It is summer vacation for J2 and J3, so we have been doing a lot of activities. Unfortunately, there is almost no free time to blog about it.  For now, let me share some of the conversations J1 and I have had about recent Bedtime Math posts.

Doubling Volcanoes

Today, we talked about this post: Instant Island. In particular, we focused on the last part, the "big kids bonus" question: if an island is 1/2 mile wide and the width doubles every month, how wide will it be in 4 months?

Okay, forget about the answer for a moment, does the question make sense? First, we asked: if this were true, how long would it take the volcano to stretch around the circumference of the Earth? Using some familiar powers of 2, we figured out it would be slightly less than 16 months. It seemed pretty clear that this didn't make physical sense, since we clearly don't see small islands cover the Earth like that.

We talked about this doubling growth process for a while. What things do we know that work like this? J1 listed:

  • bacteria
  • people
  • computer viruses
  • plants
We talked about what is happening: basically, the new "material" is able to reproduce itself, so the more you have, the more productive potential you have.

Does the growth keep going forever? No, otherwise everything would be covered, actually become, the thing that is doubling. At some point, these all run into a limiting factor, food, water, space, etc.

Back to the island: J1 realized that the growing island would hit other landmasses before it went around the Earth. If you consider connecting with Asia to count as "growth" for the island, then there could be moments of extremely fast growth. At the same time, we know that the Eurasian landmass isn't growing with an exponential process, so this connection won't contribute to the further growth of the volcanic island.

Stuffed with lead?

We were scratching our heads about the weights in this Stuffed Animal post. The average weight per stuffed animal assumed in this post is 7 pounds. We had two conversations about this: how much is that in grams and how much do our stuffed animals actually weigh?

First attempt, a scant 27 grams

Hefty Panda is only 281 grams

Massive Diplodocus is about 100 grams lighter

One of our heavy-weights: still under 400 grams

Not a stuffed animal. This is the trickier we had to use to break 1 kg

Suffice it to say, we had no stuffed animals that exceeded 1 kg.

Heavy Pencils

After having an experience with unreasonable weight measurements, Pointy Gorilla helped launch a similar conversation. Actually, it came from misreading! We connected the following comments:
  1. Gorilla weighs 300 pounds (we read this as the pencil gorilla)
  2. The big kids question implies a certain number of pencils used (under 600)
So, how heavy are those pencils? Given what we know of real pencils, how much would that gorilla actually weigh?

Monday, January 5, 2015

Goody bags (fair sharing)

Who: J1
When: before bedtime
Where: bedroom

Several months ago, I wrote a post (here) about various sharing problems and the difficult question: "What is fair?" I got distracted until I found some ready-made examples from Peter Liljedahl. J1 and I discussed his Goody Bags scenario last night.

Though it seems simple or childish, I found this activity stimulated a rather deep conversation and was really effective. I highly recommend other parents try it.

In a nutshell, you have these 40 gifts to distribute among 5 friends and want to make the distribution fair:


J1 cut out all of the pictures, spent a couple minutes putting them in piles, then we arranged them and talked about whether the allocation was fair.  Each rough column below is a goody bag:

When discussing, we didn't start with them all in a grid, but worked a column at a time, starting from the right.  that means we had two goody bags out and compared them against each other.  J1 naturally came to the arrangement that put common items side-by-side and he was careful to leave spaces where one bag got something that was missing in the other.

As we discussed, he was pretty clear that the common items weren't relevant to deciding whether the two goody bags were fair, we only needed to look at the differences. When talking about comparing unlike objects, he tended to focus on how permanent they would be and compared the difference baskets rather than individual objects within them.  For example, the two rightmost bags differ by +tatoo+sticker - kitkat - gel pen. He judged this fair because the kitkat wouldn't last long, the gel pen was nearly permanent while enjoyment of the the tatoo and sticker would both be moderately lived.

At each step, we compared the new goody bag to the single preceeding goody bag that was most similar.  Eventually, J1 proclaimed that he was satisfied with the distribution and didn't really have a preference between any of the goody bags.

We talked about some of the characteristics of his division:

  • when there were 5 of some item, everyone got one
  • when there were more than 5 of some item, everyone got at least one
  • everyone got the same total number of items.
  • no one got more than 1 duplicate

Next, we talked about how he had divided the items. He explained that he had simply done it randomly, by which he meant that he took all the items and dealt them out in a circle. I asked whether it would work well if we tried it again, so he did, but made a very important change.  This time, he dealt the items in a line and gave two items to the bags on the ends in each pass. If that's hard to picture, call the bags A, B, C, D, E and then he is giving goodies to the bags in this order:
A- B - C - D - E - E - D - C - B - A - A - B - C - D - E - E - D - C - B - A (etc).

This process gave us a very different result (not pictured) where most of the previous characteristics were violated:

  • A and E got a lot of duplicates
  • Often, someone wouldn't get an item, even if there were 5 or more

Everyone still got the same total number, but it was hard to call this split "fair."

We had a good discussion about why the results were different. This included a really interesting idea: if the process used to divide the goodies was "fair," then maybe the ending distribution is fair even if it doesn't look right.  Essentially, he was defending randomness and arguing that everyone had an equal chance to get any particular goody, so the opportunity was fair. This was a pretty sophisticated idea that I hadn't expected to hear. I think our experiment of dealing goodies in a circle vs the line method also demonstrated that apparent randomness can be thwarted with subtle systematic biases, another rather deep idea.

We moved on to discuss whether he had any personal preferences among the items. He ranked them as below, most favored on the left and least on the right. Items that are stacked are considered equal and there is some sense of spacing.



Lastly, he revealed that he had 3 strategies for attacking this challenge, to be employed sequentially, if needed:
  1. deal cards randomly
  2. swap items if they seemed to be blatantly unfair
  3. give up on the whole project and just put all his favorites in one goody bag and day-dream that he got to keep it.
J1's closing comment
When we were all done, I told J1 I was glad we had finally done this sharing challenge. He looked up and said: "oh, this is what you meant! When you said we should do the sharing challenge the other day, I thought you were going to make us share our actual toys, that's why I didn't want to do it."

J2's observation
J2 and I talked a little about this investigation. His solution was simple:

  • first row goes to bag A
  • second row goes to bag B
  • third row goes to bag C
  • fourth row goes to bag D
  • fifth row goes to bag E
  • then the remaining three rows allocated to each bag (in order) by column
He declared this fair because everyone got the same number of items and was entirely unperturbed by the idea that, for example, someone would get 5 potato-head keychains. So, maybe the conversation won't be deep with every child. Or, this indicates stages of maturity in thinking about what fairness is?

Thursday, January 1, 2015

3 little number devils


Who: J1, J2, and J3, mostly engaged on separate activities (J0 and P supporting roles). Note: All activities were done together, so there is cross-talk and listening, even if I only talk about one major protagonist in each activity.
When: throughout the day (no school, so all are at home the whole day)
Where: mainly in our reception room

School is out and new year festivities are all around us. Lest you think we have been (mathematically) idle, here are some notes of how we've been keeping busy recently.

J3's 3rd counting challenge

We have a little duck sorting game, given to us years ago a by a cousin. Put the ducks on the blue escher-stream and then take turns trying to collect all of  your tribe with common belly markings.


How many ducks are there? How do you count them when they are "swimming" on their stream?

For J3, this is quite a challenge to count all the ducks when they are in motion. She is still at the stage of counting individual objects (in contrast to recognizing clusters) and then she isn't able to keep track of which have already been counted.

Since there are a nice number of ducks, we take turns grouping them in various different ways and talking about the shapes on their bellies.

Arranging and Folding

You may have noticed I created a new page of Upcoming Activities. This is where I keep notes for things I want to remember to do with the kids. True to the promise of that page, J2 and I looked at regular polyhedra and folding. These were inspired by these posts: 3d-2d and Nets&Decorations.

Tetrahedra
Starting simple is always good.  So what arrangements of 4 equilateral triangles are there? Which of these fold to a tetrahedron?

J2 found three ways to arrange 4 equilateral triangles into a contiguous polygon. Two, on the right, fold into tetrahedra while the one on the left doesn't (but is useful for making a square pyramid).


I asked him how we could tell that the three arrangements were really different. Of course, this is a strange question because we can clearly see that they aren't the same, but I persisted and asked how we can be sure that no rotation, translation, or flip will get them to be the same. We talked about this for a while and eventually came up with two ideas:

  1. For each triangle in our arrangement, how many other triangles connect to it? For the triangle, we have 1-1-1-3 while the other two have 1-1-2-2. This let us distinguish the triangular arrangement, at least.
  2. How many sides does our polygon have? The three arrangements have 3, 4, and 6 sides, respectively. This was strong enough to distinguish all of them.

In the course of discussing how many sides, someone said that one arrangement had 13 sides. I asked them to figure out why that couldn't possibly be correct (4 triangles have 12 sides when they are separate, putting them together can only reduce the number of sides).

Hexominoes/Cubes
Ok, done with tetrahedra, we moved on to cubes. What arrangements of 6 squares fold to a cube? Which don't?

We identified the longest line of squares in our arrangement as an interesting characteristic to classify and called it the "spine." We had 6-spines (just one), 5-spines, 4-spines, 3-spines, and 2-spines. For example, the picture below shows a 2-spine that does fold into a cube




It was fun seeing when J2 would realize that an arrangement did or didn't make a cube and hear his reaction. We talked a bit about how we would know whether we had tested all of the arrangements, but I won't claim we were comprehensive in this exploration. He did develop one hypothesis about 4-spines:
If both "tentacles" of a 4-spine are on opposite sides of the spine, it can fold into a cube. If they are on the same side, it cannot.
Pictures below are our cubable hexominoes and the ones that just don't work out:


At the end, I tried to rearrange things and start talking about pentominoes, but this exploration was already as long enough and he was ready to move on to something else.

How fast do Fibonacci numbers grow?

Both J1 and J2 have recently been introduced to Fibonacci numbers, powers of 2, squares, and cubes. Writing down the Fibonacci sequence, J1 said: "these are growing really fast!" I asked J1 and J2: "do they grow faster than squares?"

This led to a discussion about what my question meant. J2 pointed out that, at the beginning, the squares are growing faster. Very detail oriented he pointed to the first two Fibonacci terms (1, 1) and said "they aren't even growing at all." J1 pointed farther down the sequence and said it looked like they were much larger at some point.

Here, J2 went off to do something else while J1 and I continued talking about the sequences relative to each other. I built a simple spreadsheet and then asked what we should do to compare. Some discussion later, we decided to add the ratio of the sequences and the difference. Through both measures, we saw that, indeed, the Fibonacci sequence becomes much larger than the squares. One little observation he really liked was seeing that the twelfth Fibonacci number (144) is also the 12th square, so the sequences are equal at that point.

J1 then suggested other sequences we could compare: multiples of 100, powers of 2, powers of 3, powers of 10. We did a little to play around with powers of bases between 1 and 2, but we didn't quite get to reveal the magic of the golden ratio.  At least not this time . . .

Number Devil


J1 and I, with occasional visits from J2, have been reading The Number Devil together just before he goes to sleep. Frankly, this was a book toward which I was only lukewarm. Mainly, I wasn't sure about how our kids would take the introduction about nightmares, the relationship between the number devil and Robert, and the negative comments about the math class and math teacher. As it turns out, all of these things are fine, either not taken too seriously or accepted as proof that Robert is a bona fide little boy.

On that last point, J1 was much more attuned to the fact that Robert is supposed to be 12 years old. When we got to a point in the story where the Number Devil asks Robert when he was born (answer: 1986), J1 immediately spotted something was wrong. He didn't know right away how old Robert was, but he had a sense, perhaps from knowing roughly when the 5th graders in his school were born? We spent a bit of time calculating how old Robert would really be in 2014 and then talked about what happened with his age in the story.

Otherwise, I'm finding that most of the math in the book is at just the right level. Mostly, we are reading about things that J1 and J2 have already encountered and they enjoy seeing a slightly different spin on these topics (including silly names for them). We do most of the calculations along with the characters and generally have a grand time.

Friday, December 12, 2014

Calculating and computers

Another post that isn't about the kids, oh well.

I got a bit carried away in a comment over on Dan Burfiend's blog: Quadrant Dan. As an opener for his geometry class, he asks about some large numbers. I suggested a couple of follow-up questions, for those who wanted to pursue the opener further:

Exponent Investigation
Are there any numbers (feel free to restrict to integers) where a < b but ab < ba? What are they?

I will leave you to play with this one.

Approximating big powers
A rough approximation that can be really helpful is 210 is close to 1000, aka 103. For 4234, you could approximate:
42 is approximately 40 = 4 * 10
So 4234 could be close to 268 * 10 34
Using our approximation of 1000 for 1024, replace 268 by 28 * 10006, so we get
256 * 1052 or 2.56 * 1054

Of course, that's still only about 1/6 the precise value calculated by worlfram alpha, but seems pretty good for such simple calculation.

Approximating compound interest
Let's say you want to do better than the previous approximation (we do, we do!) Can we make a useful adjustment to correct for replacing 42 by 40? Well, 40 = 40 * 1.05, so 4234 = 40^34 * 1.0534.

That second term looks like a calculation for compound interest, right? One rule of thumb (the rule of 70) is that a compounding process will double in approximately (70/rate) periods. In other words, the time it takes your money to double at interest rate r% is about 70/r years. At 5%, about how many doubling periods do we get when we compound 34 times? About 34/70 * 5 which is about 2.5. So, we can approximate 1.0534 by 22.5

Depending on your love for √2 , you ignore that bit and end up with a final estimate of 1055 (approximately 2.56*1054 * 4). However, for those playing along who want to say √2 is close to 1.5, then we get a final approximation of 1.5*1055.

Exercises for the reader
Try to approximate 3442. Is your approximate result larger or smaller than the approximation we got above? How confident are you that this allows you to determine which is larger, 3442 or 4234?

What did we learn?

Well, in cleaning up this post, I learned how to do exponents and square roots in html, so that's cool.  More seriously I feel this example shows something important about the roles of manual calculations and computer based math.

First, this wasn't blind calculation following an algorithm. At each step, we were thinking about relationships, albeit approximate ones, and ways to short-cut the direct calculation.

On the other hand, the sequences of approximations could easily have taken Dan's whole class. Would it have been fun for the students? The use of the calculation engine brings this into scope as a 5 minute class opener for a class that will eventually be about something else entirely (I guess).

Even if you wanted to talk about the approximations in class, I think seeing the answer from Wolfram Alpha actually makes the hand calculations a lot more fun. The kids would be thinking something analogous to this: "sure he can fly over that building in an airplane, but can he really jump over it?!"

Wednesday, November 26, 2014

เกมคณิตศาสตร์ ป.1 - ป.2 (25/11/2014)

เกมใกล้เข้ามาอีกนิด

Source: Snugglenumber by Anna Weltman 
Link: http://recipesforpi.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/snugglenumber/

สิ่งที่ต้องเตรียม: ไพ่ 1 สำรับเอา 10, J, K ออก
วิธีเล่น:
     ๑. แจกไพ่คนละ ๑๑ ใบ
     ๒. ให้ A แทนเลข ๑ และ Q แทนเลข 0
     ๓. เด็กๆจะต้องนำไพ่ทั้ง ๑๑ ใบมาใช้ โดยที่ไพ่แต่ละใบใช้ได้ครั้งเดียว ให้เอาตัวเลขตามไพ่ที่ได้มา             ใส่ในช่องตามแผ่นเกมที่แจก (ดูตัวอย่างข้างล่าง)

              0     ____
              5     ____
             10    ____  ____
             25    ____  ____
             50    ____  ____
            100   ____  ____  ____
   
     โดยนับคะแนนดังนี้
            - ได้ ๓ คะแนนถ้าไพ่เท่ากับจำนวนพอดี
            - ได้ ๑ คะแนนถ้าค่าต่างไพ่กับจำนวนที่ต้องการไม่เกิน ๖
            - ไม่ได้คะแนนถ้าค่าต่างไพ่กับจำนวนที่ต้องการเกิน ๖
            
     ตัวอย่าง:
            มีไพ่ในมือดังต่อไปนี้  2, 2, 3, 5, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9, Q, Q  นำมาเรียง

              0     _Q__
              5     _6__
             10    _2__  _7__
             25    _2__  _8__
             50    _5__  _3__
            100   _Q__  _9__  _6__
  
         คะแนนที่ได้คือ 3, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1 รวมกันได้ 7
 
Update: some pictures of players in action




Friday, August 29, 2014

Fair sharing Exploration (warm-up)

who: J1 and J2
when: over a course of weeks (this is a plan, not a historical record)
what material: the objects to be shared


This post: http://letsplaymath.net/2014/08/13/fractions-15-110-180-1/#more-28158 gave me the inspiration to create an extended plan to explore ideas around fair sharing. The idea got a further boost from our warm-up discussion about breaking swords and cutting cakes last weekend.

In our house, issues of fairness lurk just below the surface of almost every interaction between the children. Actually, that's not accurate, since fairness is often a visible dark cloud hanging over the proceedings.
Part of the idea for this exploration is to harness their strong feelings on this topic to examine:
- fractions (naturally)
- approximations
- competing theories of fairness/equality
- their own intuition and biases around what is fair and why something should (or shouldn't, or doesn't have to be) fairly distributed, including concepts of ownership ("that is mine!"), earned privileges ("he got X because he did Y"), and private valuations ("you like X more than Y, but she likes Y more than X").

The basic idea is to present different types of sharing problems as thought experiments: talk through or play-act the scenarios, do some analysis of different sharing tactics (maybe using manipulatives, diagrams, etc) and later come back to these in live examples.

Examples of different classes of sharing problems I see:
- cakes/pies: things that can easily be cut into small fractions
- sausages, or apples: something that can be cut reasonably accurately into moderate fractions (maybe down to 1/8th)
- ice cream, or soup/rice/etc: something that needs to be weighed or volume measured
- KEX cookies/small candies: something that can, at best, be cut in half, maybe not cut at all.
- ballons/babies/bicycles/scooters: items that are indivisible objects
- balls/group toys: items that increase in value as more people play (up to a point)

some types of questions are:
1) technically, what tactics can be used to divide, what are the pros and cons
2) strategically, how can you get buy-in that your approach to divide is fair?

Let me know if you have any tips or thoughts on how this will all turn out.

Mathematical distraction (argh!)

who: J0
when: J3's naptime
what material: scale, bottle, water, formula


I looked down at my hands and saw a partially prepared bottle of baby formula.  Hmm, did I add the right amount of each ingredient?!

Stepping back, how I had I gotten into this (minor) predicament? By day-dreaming about some other math (which I hope to post in the near future), I had managed to mess up this simple recipe:
1. add 4 ounces of water to the bottle
2. add 2 scoops of formula powder to the bottle
3. close and shake the bottle
4. dispense to the consumer

My solution: use a little more (very simple) math to figure out what I had done.

I got out my trusty scale and made the following measurements:
(1) empty bottle: 60 grams
(2) 2 scoops of formula: 20 grams (pictured below is one scoop, I had tared out the lid and the scooper)
(3) 4 ounces of water is approximately 120 mL/approximately 120 grams
(4) my partially made bottle: 155 grams

Hmm, 155 grams? My target mass was supposed to be 200 grams. If I had forgotten one scoop of powder, it should have been 190 grams. So...

Looking more carefully, I had only put in about 3 ounces of water (mass about 90 grams).  I concluded that I needed an extra 30-40 gr of water and another scoop of powder.

What lesson did I learn?
Maybe I need to be cautious thinking about engaging math problems when I'm driving?