Showing posts with label tmwyk. Show all posts
Showing posts with label tmwyk. Show all posts

Monday, December 12, 2016

Some sort of number talks with J3

Based on conversations about the dots pictures from Math4Love:

Day 3
I notice

  1. there's a number 3, but the number of dots isn't the same (it isn't 3)
  2. five over here (pointing to dots) and zero on the down part (the bottom half of the 10 frame)
  3. J0: I see some letters...
  4. I even noticed that. I noticed there's this plus (points to dash - )
  5. J0: I noticed this square
  6. I noticed it was a line (bottom row of the 10 frame)
  7. I noticed these triangles (the white space in 10 frame sections that have dots)
  8. I noticed these are 5 and an extra one (on second page of day 3)
  9. I noticed that there are four left (empty cells on second page)
  10. J0: you saw 5+1, I see 2 + 4
  11. Those two are together. The other ones are lonely.

I wonder

  1. Why didn't they make 10 dots?
  2. Why did they only cover the middle of the square (points to a dot in the upper left square of teh 10 frame)?
  3. I wonder, how do numbers talk? (after I read the title of the slide to her)
  4. I wonder, why do they only put 1 on the bottom row?
  5. I wonder, can we arrange them so none are lonely
Day 4
I notice
  1. Five on the top and five on the bottom
  2. Ten
  3. five and four, nine
Day 5
I notice
  1. This doesn't have a box to go in (a 10 frame)
  2. It has a dot in the middle
  3. we can count them 2, 2, 2 (pairing them up)
  4. if we take 2 away, there will be four
  5. the sides are the same (it has a line of symmetry in the middle)
  6. it looks like an animals footprint
  7. the top four make a diamond
  8. If we turn our body to the side, the top four make a rectangle
  9. taking out the two in the middle, we have a square
  10. it has 8 dots.
  11. the number of dots doesn't match the day number
I wonder
  1. is it a real footprint?
  2. I wonder, if we take the bottom five, it would be 3?

Monday, March 7, 2016

Assorted math conversations

A collection of little items from the last month.

Optimal time to eat

P was talking with the kids about what order they should eat their food, which led to lots of graphs showing flavor over time. I don't know if this is a typical conversation for other people, but pretty common in our house. Here are some of the charts they made: Naturally, this also led to other charts. In particular, a debate about how quickly someone could develop skills by practicing music. Note the lack of labeling on the y-axis.






Some challenges

At lunch today, everyone got a math question. Apologies, I don't remember what challenge we gave to J1. J3 was given what is 5 + 2? After we let her consider and answer, J2 got asked what is the cube root of 125? Before either older kid could answer, J3 yelled out: 5.
Hmm. No, we also don't think she really understood, but it is nice to dream!

A joke

J2: look, a prime! (pointing generally at the 100 chart on our wall)
Everyone look expectantly at the wall
J2: No, it isn't. 22 is a compositive
All little Js burst into hysterical laughter. P looks at me as if to say, "this is your fault."

I wonder

From nowhere: Daddy, what 3 digit number has the most factors?
Exploration to follow tomorrow.

Cooking

J3 and I made scrambled eggs today in two batches. First, with milk for J1, using 2 eggs. Then, a second batch without milk for J3 using another 2 eggs.
J0: how many eggs did we use
J3: For J1, we used 2 (holds up two fingers on right hand). Then, we used two for me (holds up two on left hand). Let's count them . . . 1, 2, 3, 4. Four eggs!

Contortionist cubes

We got a lot out of this video from Mathologer: Contortionist cubes.
An immediate idea was to see which of the objects we could construct using our materials at home. The best we managed was using polydron to build one of the contortionist cubes, with sides that are either all red or all green. This high-tech enterprise was made possible by scotch tape!



Thursday, February 18, 2016

Little one counting

Late last year, Joe Schwartz wrote a very interesting post about the difficulties one student is having with counting and skip counting. I recall hearing a theory that many later math difficulties trace back to when a student missed solidifying the concept of one-to-one correspondence and some related concepts of counting (but don't have a citation or reference). As a result, I was thinking about how our little J's understand these ideas.

In particular, I wanted to try out Marilyn Burn's little game from one of her comments with J3:
Ask him to put out 8 cubes on a paper. [I chose 8 because when I remove one, the child won’t be able to know how many by subitizing.]
Ask: How many cubes did you put on the paper? (8) [Here I look for whether the child has to recount.]
Say: Watch as I take away one cube. Remove one cube and place it on the table.
Ask: How many cubes are there on the paper now? (7) [Does the child have to recount, or does the child just know.]
Say: Watch as I take away another cube. Remove one of the 7 cubes and place it on the table.
Ask: How many cubes are there on the paper now? (6) [This is the same as the previous question, a way to check if the child still needs to recount.]
Say: Watch as I put one cube back on the paper.
Ask: How many cubes are on the paper now? (7) [Similar, but adding 1.]
Sometimes I repeat again removing a cube and asking: Can you tell me how many there are without counting? Some kids shake their heads to indicate they can’t, others say they’ll give a guess, some are able to.

J2


Before I had a chance to try out the question sequence with J3, I had some time alone with J2. He was sorting colored pencils, so we used those as counters. Overall, he breezed through the questions, but there were two amusing points:

  1. After separating out 8 colored pencils, I asked how many he had. His response showed that (a) he believes in conservation, so he knew there would be 8, but also (b) he is used to me doing something tricky, so he wanted to verify that there were still 8.
  2. His method of verification: split them into two groups of 4, an amount he could recognize by subitizing, not counting.
He asked me why I was asking these questions and I told him it was related to his understanding of hierarchical inclusion. We talked briefly about what that means and he was delighted by the term, so ran off to ask J1, "how is your understanding of hierarchical inclusion?"

J3


My counting time with J3 came during dinner. She was eating cucumber slices, so we used these as counters. This turned out to be a mistake, since conservation doesn't work with edible counters! In other words, whenever I asked her how many slices were in our cluster, she would pop one in her mouth and smile, knowing that she was teasing me.

Mainly, though, I was able to verify that she doesn't yet have the concepts that allow short-cuts to the questions in Marilyn's sequence and needed to recount to get all the answers.

Incidentally, I started the activity by telling her that we were going to count something together. She immediately grabbed this coaster and then accurately counted the circles to 37.



For me, the entire experience was a really interesting illustration that counting actually requires a complex collection of sub-skills.

Sunday, January 17, 2016

Bitter pills (some unfortunate math)

During a hike in the south, J1 tripped and cut his forehead badly. This incident lead to the following conversation snippets and math observations about taking medicine.

How many ways

J1 has to take three different pills, a white one, an orange one, and a cream one. How many ways can he take them? 6, of course, 3 choices for the first, 2 for the second, and then whatever is left at the end. Follow-up: why do we multiple the choices instead of adding them?

However, our answer is 12. The twist is that one pill is broken into two halves because it is so big. That means we have 4 pieces, so 4! ways of arranging, but two pieces are identical, so 4!/2 distinct ways of ordering the pieces.

For those who are more advanced: what if we allow taking more than one pill at a time?

Cut in half and comparisons

As noted above, the white pill is pretty large, 375 mg. We break it in half, so how large is each half?
The next largest pill, the orange one is 25mg. How many times larger is the white compared with the orange?

The smallest, the cream one, is 5mg. How many times larger is the orange? How many times larger is the white?

Some pictures

Sorry to disappoint you, if you are looking for pictures of the wound. It really is too gruesome to spring on the math lovers of the internet.

Not our favorite ten frames:



Which sequences of pattern blocks close up?







Peg Board Fun


Primes and Powers

Saw this tweet and did a short investigation with J2.


His immediate reaction was a great one: "Let's try 2 and 3."
For uniqueness, we verbally talked through 5 and 3, but I guided him to recognize that these would both be odd. That led him to recognize that the only possibilities were an odd prime and 2, so we worked through some more cases and came up with a related conjecture:


Thursday, December 17, 2015

Big numbers and BIG NUMBERS (emulating classic TMWYK)

During a recent chat with J3, 3.5 years old, I decided to test some ideas about her number sense. She was playing with 3 and had just counted them.

me: How many fingers do you have?
J3: 10, here's five (shows one hand) and here's five (shows the other hand)
me: Let's count them?
J3: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
me: I'll try mine. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
J3: (laughs) That's silly. You skipped ... you don't have 11. Let me show you. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
me: Oh, thanks for helping! I have something else to show you. (I write down the numbers below). Do you know which is bigger?

Why is it so dark? Oh, yeah: winter


J3: this one (points to 306).
me: what number is that?
J3: 3-zero-(pauses) 9.
me: what about this one?
J3: 3-(pauses) 8

I  realized that I had drawn the 306 a bit larger than the 36. Maybe that was why she pointed to 306? I drew two more.



me: Hmm, what about these two numbers?
J3: (points to the 2). That is a really big number (stretches her arms wide)

we then drew faces for each other.


A J2 project and challenge

J2 was arranging the pieces from a checkers set. He wanted me to pose this challenge to all of you:
what are your favorite ways to arrange 24 checkers, split equally into two colors? here is one of his designs, to get you started:

We are working on imitating JJ Abrams lens flares, but only have gotten lens glare



Sunday, July 26, 2015

counting at the pool

who: J3
where: at the pool

In the spirit of Christopher Danielson's marshmallow post, Tale of Two Conversations, I wanted to flag some simple ways to add some numbers to a toddler's day. None of these are earth-shattering and they aren't hard to do, but they sometimes take a bit of awareness to remember.

Counting up

At the pool recently with J3, I noticed several times that we chose to use numbers when we might have said something else. First, she started jumping in from the side, so we led with a count: "1, 2, 3 jump!"

That's standard and comes easily to most parents (my observation from watching other parents at playgrounds). A math educator once told me that some kids start school thinking that the counting sequence is "1, 2, 3, go" because they hear that formula so often!

One of our additions is to add a little counting song after each jump. I always think of the sesame street count, so we sing after each jump: "1 [later 2, 3, 4, etc] mighty jump, ha ha ha." She got up to 17 before moving on from the jumping game.

Counting down

Later, she did rocket launches from the ladder. Of course, this was a good chance for counting down practice: 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0 blast off!

Oh, look at the time!

Wrapping up all of this, we had a series of comments about the time throughout our swimming session. When we first arrived, I read the time to her, with a couple explanatory comments (it was 10:55, so I explained that the long hand on the 11 meant 5*11 = 55 minutes after the hour and the short hand near that 11 meant that it wasn't quite 11 o'clock, so it would be 10). I didn't expect or require her to get all of this detail.

Then, we talked about how long we could stay: 15 or 30 minutes? 30 minutes was the choice, then when would we leave? As the time passed, how much time did we have left? When we got to the agreed leaving time, how much more time did she want?

I found that the conversation about time, in particular, had to be a conscious effort. Since she doesn't have a strong understanding or awareness of time, it would have been just as functional for me to keep all that information to myself rather than explaining it to her. On the other hand, how can the little ones develop their own understanding if they aren't part of these types of discussions?

Sunday, July 19, 2015

more age chat

who: J1
when: bedtime

J1 wanted to return to our discussion about their three ages. In particular, someone had noticed that, prior to the recent birthday, their whole year ages were all primes: 3, 5, and 7. J1's question this evening: will this ever happen again?

First case

We talked through 2 different cases. The first uses 2 year gaps, so AgeY(J3)+2 = AgeY(J2) and AgeY(J2)+ 2 = AgeY(J1). As we worked through examples, J1 quickly saw that it wouldn't work whenever J3's age was even, so we focused on odds. From 5, 7, 9, he realized that we could skip the cases where J3 was 7 or 9, so we looked at 11 and 17. Along the way, we had identified that J1's age was 9 (3x3), then 15 (3x5), then 21 (3x7).  Seemed to be a pattern of always being a multiple of 3...

Second case

Next, we looked at their current gaps, so AgeY(J3)+2 = AgeY(J2) and AgeY(J2)+ 3 = AgeY(J1)
This one was easier, solved by just looking at the parity of the ages.

So, sad news all around: they will never again have all prime ages!

Fractional ages

Next, we talked about the equation Age(J3) + Age(J2) = Age(J1). This works out now when we use whole year ages (or using the floor function, if you prefer). There had been some chatter earlier about fractional ages, so J1 wanted to check that.  These were the estimates J2 had given earlier for their ages:

  • J3: 3 1/4
  • J2: 5 1/2
  • J1: 8
So, does the equation hold? Unfortunately, it doesn't. J3+J2 is 8 3/4. Will it ever hold in the future and when?

We talked for a while and J1 realized that, as time passes, the sum of the sibling's ages increases twice as fast as his age does. That gave him a clue that it won't happen in the future, but did in the past.  So, when was that?

Keeping in mind the pattern he'd recognized about changes, he guessed it was 3/4 of a year ago. Checking through was a good exercise in fractions and confirmed his conjecture.

From that, he wanted to get more precise about when that date was, 3/4 of a year ago, and then started talking about that having been a really special time for the three of them (unrecognized at the time, of course). When he started getting that precise, though, I offered that J2's estimates were a bit off and substituted J3 = 3 1/6, J2 = 5 5/6, and J1 = 8. This gave an even more satisfying conclusion once he worked out this case.

Wednesday, July 15, 2015

Some comparisons (two tmwyk transcripts and a puzzle)

who: J1
when: just before bedtime

the value of being alive

J1: Daddy, now I've got a question for you
J0: Ok?
J1: if I get a new book every time I write 20 pages in my journal, how valuable is each page?
J1: The books are about 150 baht
J0: How much?
J1: let me check, I think the price is on the back cover . . . 169 baht
J0: if you could tell me what I need to calculate, I'll calculate for you
J1: hmm, so 20 pages is 169 baht, I want to know how much one page is, so I need to divide by 20.
J0: do you think it will be more or less than 10?
J1: less than 10
J0; Are you sure? How do you know?
J1: Well, 10 * 20 is 200 which is more than 169
J0: what about 5 baht per page? Is it more or less than that?
J1: More, 5* 20 is half of 10*20, so 100, which is less than 169.
....
<we figure out that the amount per page is 8.45 baht/page>
....
J1: That's not very much!
J0: How much did you get for your birthday?
J1: [x] from grandma, [x] from grandpa
J0: well, how much is that per day. Is it more or less than 10?
J1: More than 10
J0: how <interrupted>
J1: how do I know? well . . .10 * 365 is ...
<some discussion of whether he was right, various other estimates of the amount of money per day>
J0: How does that compare with each page of your journal?
J1: More...but what if I include the [present a] and [present b]?
...
<he estimates how much different presents cost, figures the total, estimates how much that is per day, etc>
...
J3 (who has been listening all this time): wow, J1, that's a lot of money!

J3 explores bricks

Earlier in the evening, J3 has been building sticks with 1x1x1 TRIO cubes. She made four, all the same length, then handed two to me as drumsticks. I counted the cubes in one (I got 11) and then she counted one of hers (she got 12). I put them side-by-side and we saw they were the same length.

J3: but...daddy, I really counted 12, you are wrong
J0: are you sure they should have the same number.
J3: yes, let's count them again, together
<I point at the cubes and she counts them, 11>
J3: Ok, now I'm going to build a shape and you see if you can make a copy. It will be tricky!

A birthday puzzle

With their current ages expressed as whole years (you know, the way everyone talks about ages, except for mothers of very small children):

  1. What is a number sentence that relates the ages of J1, J2 and J3? Hint, oldest is 8, middle 5, and youngest 3
  2. Will this ever be true again?
  3. Was it ever true in the past?
  4. When/why not?
  5. What about multiplying? Will it ever be the case that AgeY(J1) = AgeY(J2) * AgeY(J3)?
  6. Was this ever true in the past?
  7. When/why not?
Note that there is a complication since they were not all born on the same day, so the difference in their year ages changes depending on the day of the year we are considering.

J2 wanted to investigate more precisely, so he asked to work things out in months. That meant we had to calculate how many months are between them.

Saturday, June 20, 2015

Crazy Tangles and the order of the months

who: J1, J2, J3
when; a couple of minutes scattered through the day, 5 minutes at dinner
what did we use: two colored pieces of string (shoelace weight)

Playing with string

2 years ago, Fawn Nguyen wrote a note about Conway's Rational Tangles. It was a great activity for her algebra class (so go read her note) and I thought our little ones might enjoy it. While getting a soldering iron to fix a toothbrush robot (another upcoming post?) I found two blue and red string that looked really perfect for this investigation.

There are two moves, twist and rotate. Since Fawn does such a fantastic job of showing these moves, I won't even bother trying to describe them. For us, we made it into a two person activity where we hold different strings in each hand. I introduced the ideas in the following sequence:

  1. told J1 that there were two moves and showed him. 
  2. Then we did a bunch of twists and I counted one each time. 
  3. After that, I told him a twist counts as +1. 
  4. We did a sequence (3 twists, rotate, one twist, rotate, two twists, rotate, two twists)
  5. at that point, he insisted on leading the moves, so he was in charge
J2 had been watching and basically understood the pattern, but we did something similar later as his turn.

J3 had her turn as well and basically just wanted to get tangled up in the string

Reactions
J1 got very excited about making conjectures about what the rotation operation does. His first guess was multiply by -1. We tested with twist, rotate, twist and found that we were back to state 0. However, when we did 2 twists, rotate, then 2 more twists definitely didn't get us to state 0.
Next conjecture was that rotate subtracts 2, but that also is disproven by the fact that TTRTT(0) is not 0. He is still working on it.

For J2, he liked to get complicated and started out with 10 twists and then a rotate. From that point, he let me call the moves (TRTTRTTRTTRTTRTTRTTRTTRTTRTT) and was totally delighted to see us get untangled back at state 0 after all of that.

J3 got a lot of mileage out of disrupting other people's tangles. This was certainly fun for her, but a bit frustrating for the older two.

Which month is first?

At dinner, I asked the kids which is first, January or February? J1 and J2 quickly said "January."
Next question, which is first, January or March? January again.
Next, January or April? Again, quick answer of January. P interjects, is that going to last?
January or May? J2 again says "January" quickly, J1 is starting to hesitate.
January or July? January again from J2, July from J1.

Why?
J2 is pretty clear; "January is the first month of the year, so it always comes first."
J1 has a different idea. It is June now, so our next July will come before the next January. Thus, July is first.

Next question, which comes first, January or December?
J2 again says "January, it is the first month of the year, so it has to come first."

What month comes immediately before January?
J2 says "December."

Note :J3 doesn't really know the months yet, so she wasn't very proactive, but she did enjoy repeating the others' answers.

This question occurred to me when reading Who's the Oldest over at Musings of a Mathematical Mom.

Tuesday, March 10, 2015

Just try some operations: a problem solving phase?

Who: J1
Where: in bed
When: bedtime

Bedtime math discussions have become something of a treat for J1, available if everything else is done before bedtime. Tonight, we didn't quite meet that deadline, but I made an exception for some mitigating factors. Turns out it was a lucky night for this as the subject was ROBOTS!!! And there were some short videos!!!!! Here's the link so you can play along: bedtime robots.

The chats
This was in reference to the "little kids bonus" question:
J1: 10.  Wait, no... 9 seconds
J0: why did you originally say 10?
J1: Because I just added.
J0: What made you change your mind?
J1: Because you said "faster," so I knew it should take less time.
...

The second snippet was for the "big kids" main question:
J0: <reads the question>
J1: I guess I need to multiple 5 x 30
J0: Why?
J1: Hmm, should it be adding?
J0: Maybe you should draw a picture.
J1: <gets paper and pencil> Okay, how does the robot move? <looks at question> Zigzags and makes 5 turns . . .<draws a zigzag and counts 5 turns, looks at the question again>. Throws after the fifth turn <draws a little picture of an angry bird next to the fifth turn, then starts counting another zigzag path>....ten will be 2 throws.  So, the answer is 6.
J0: How did you get the answer?
J1: There are 3 groups of 10 in 30, so I need 2x 3.
J0: Why 2 x 3?
J1: Because there were two throws every ten turns.
....

Why do I remark on this?
I was really struck that his immediate reaction was to throw numbers from the question into an operations grinder and see what came out. Sure, I have seen this reported by a lot of other people, but this was the first time it seemed so apparent for our kids. I think this underlines the need for us to encourage them to first make sense of what is being presented, to draw pictures or diagrams, to use manipulatives, and to explain why.

Saturday, March 7, 2015

How we play math games, an example

Who: J1
Where: dining table
What materials: a pack of playing cards, a 100 board
When: mid-afternoon

Some conversation snippets that illustrate what we talk about when playing math games.

For background, we were playing our 35 game from class, with some slight modifications. Each player gets 5 cards and can choose what card to play on their turn. After each play, you draw a new card so your hand should always have 5 cards. In this case, I was just picking cards at random from my hand, not choosing the cards to play.

Conversations:
J0: 26 + 3 = 29. Now, what do you need to get to 35 this turn?
J1: 6 <looks at cards and makes a sad face>.
....
....
J0: What's the count?
J1: 21, can you make 35 on this turn?
J0: <looks at his card and thinks> Oh, no, I can't.
J1: How did you know?
J0: I looked at my highest card and added  to 21.
....
....
J1: <playing a card> 11 + 5 = 16
J0: Can I get to 35 on this turn?
J1: <thinking for a bit> No, the highest you can get is 29.
....
....
J1: <playing a card> 30 + 8 is... oh I have to subtract. 30 - 8 is 22
J0: What is the lowest you can get by bouncing back and subtracting?
J1: <thinking for a while, looking at the 100 board> Oh, we could get back to 10.
J0: How do you get to 10?
J1: We start on 23 and play a king (value 13).
....
....

What's the point?
There are two things I was trying to do: get him to explain and verbalize his thinking and explore the structure of the game. For almost all activities, there will be "what is the largest..?" or "what is the smallest ..?" investigations worth pursuing.

What did I miss?
At least two things I could have added to our conversations:
(1) talking more about my own thinking when doing calculations
(2) Asking for or introducing alternative ways to do a particular calculation.

What else do you see? Feel free to criticize (constructively).

Some shapes
We recently had another round of flexagon making. In our attempts to practice making hexahexaflexagons, we ended up with some spare paper with a triangular tiling. These were good for making little hexahedrons and octahedrons:


Ever since reading Christopher Danielson's class activity on the taxonomy of hexagons, I've been on the look-out for natural occurrences of irregular hexagons. In my experience, they are actually pretty rare. Here is one, captured in its native habitat:
Obviously, a close cousin to the regular hexagon


Saturday, February 28, 2015

23 still isn't prime (sometimes)

who: J1 and J2
where: walking around the neighborhood
when: after lunch on a saturday

In response to our earlier discussion that 23 is prime in the integers but not in the rationals, someone on Google Plus (either Curious Cheetah or Paul Hatzer) mentioned that 23 isn't prime in base 9. That led to another good discussion with the kids.

We went through a bunch of bases larger than 3 and discussed whether 23 was prime in that base. A different way of seeing this is that we were looking for primes in the arithmetic series 2b+3:

BasePrime?
4Yes
5Yes
6No
7Yes
8Yes
9No
10Yes

They were really excited to feel that they had found a prime-making machine. At this point it seemed that a clear pattern had emerged: all primes except when the base is a multiple of 3. I asked if they had any ideas why and they quickly identified that, when the base is a multiple of three, then 3 will divide 2b+3. We went back to some lower bases for which 23 wouldn't be sensible, but we saw that our prime/non-prime pattern still held:

"Base"Prime?
1Yes
2Yes
3No
4Yes
5Yes
6No
7Yes
8Yes
9No
10Yes

Finally, of course, we had to see the bad news: this sequence doesn't hit primes on every base that isn't a multiple of 3 and, in fact, our earlier exploration had stopped just short of the first counter example:
"Base"Prime?
1Yes
2Yes
3No
4Yes
5Yes
6No
7Yes
8Yes
9No
10Yes
11No (boo hoo)
12No
13Yes

Monday, February 23, 2015

Divisible by 3

who: J2
when: at breakfast
where: at the dining table

We were recently talking about divisibility rules and J2 was particularly excited about testing large numbers for divisibility by 3. He asked me to provide a large one to see if his mother could figure out whether it was a multiple of 3. This was the resulting conversation:
J0: Let's try 12345678987654321
P: I think it is a multiple of 3
J2: <excitedly> It is!
J0: how do you know?
J2: well, it is a multiple of 111 and 111 is 37 x 3.
P: <stunned/surprised> How do you know it is a multiple of 111?
<conversation continues>
Of course, we parents expected to hear that he added the digits and saw that the digit sum was multiple of three. Unfortunately, that test is just a trick for him right now. He doesn't really understand how it works or why. His own approach wasn't a trick, but it was a bit lucky.

Our friend 12345678987654321
This is actually a number J2 has seen before. In reading the Number Devil, we played with a pattern:

1x1=1
11x11=121
111x111=12321
1,111x1,111=1234321
11,111x11,111=123454321
111,111x111,111=12345654321
1,111,111x1,111,111=1234567654321
11,111,111x11,111,111=123456787654321
111,111,111x111,111,111=12345678987654321

We spent a lot of time talking about these, checking them, and extending the pattern to see what would happen next. From here, it isn't so hard to see that 111 is a factor of 111,111,111 and, of course, everyone knows that 111 is 37 x 3. Right?

Some food for thought
  • Where does that sum of digits test for divisibility by 3 actually come from?
  • Does it work for any other numbers (hint: yes!)?
  • Wait, doesn't this mean that order of digits doesn't matter for those factors?
  • What is the divisibility test for 11 and why is it almost as cool as the one for 3?
  • What is the divisibility test for 7 and how does the name "primitive root" help explain how messy it is?
Unrelated Pictures
J1's first zometool project, showing the duality of the dodecahedron and icosahedron!

J1 tackles the NRICH table and chairs challenge, with TRIO blocks. More on this later?

A funny looking plant with a pretty flower that caught J1's eye.

Wednesday, February 18, 2015

5 minute sharing

Who: J1
When: after dinner and before brushing teeth
Where: bedroom

I've talked before about Peter Liljedahl's Numeracy Tasks as explorations in fair sharing. Tonight, J1 and I briefly discussed the cookie question and the cupcake conundrum.

Sharing Cookies

Six cookies, 3 friends (J1, Ji-Ping and Tanya), sharing is easy peasy, right? Well, one mom insists that her child (Ji-Ping) can eat only one cookie, so what do you do?

J1 responding quick: Ji-Ping gets one, Tanya and I each get 2 and a half
J0: Is that fair?
J1: Its fair because he gets to eat as much as he is allowed and then Tanya and I get the same amount.
J0: How will Ji feel if you get so much more?
J1: Well, his mother probably only wants him to eat one because he is going to get more treats at home, like birthday cake, so that's fair. (By chance, today is Ji's sister's birthday!)
J0: Are there any other ways to split?
J1: We could all have one today and save the others for tomorrow. We could ask Ji-Ping's mom to let him have more.
J0: Maybe you could share with other friends?
J1: yeah, and then in the future, they might share with us. At first, I thought you were going to say that the snack was yo-yo bear <laughs>
J0: What if it was yo-yo-bear, how would that change the situation? Each pack has two strands, but what if Ji-Ping was only allowed to eat one?
J1: <thinking> I guess it wouldn't change it.
J0: So, what about your first idea with the cookies?
J1: Oh, Ji-Ping would get one loop and the treasure card, Tanya and I would each get a treasure card and 2 and a half loops.
J0: how does that feel compared to the cookie split?
J1: it seems pretty fair

Sharing cupcakes

Again, we've got three friends and six treats, but this time 4 cupcakes have delicious chocolate frosting and two do not. This time, J1 had a clear sense that the right answer was to cut in equal portions.

J1: well, we each get 2/3rds of a cupcake with no frosting.  And we get two with frosting. Wait, how many had frosting?
J0: 4
J1: I thought it was 6 <laughing>. Hmm, then we get .... 1.5.....no......1 and 1/3rd with frosting.
J0: any other ideas about how to split them/
J1: Well, this is fair, we all get the same treats and we don't have any left over so that's got to be best.

A bedtime math confession

Recently, we've been talking about the "fun nightly math" activities on Bedtime Math. Both J1 and J2 enjoy the scenarios and they have fun calculating to answer the questions. Frankly, I'm not in love with the questions as they usually seem a bit artificial to the story and are often just a single arithmetic calculation. However, it is a very handy resource to easily add a couple minutes of number thinking to the end of a day.

Tonight, the 1000-year Rose led to some good diagrams and a fun discussion about very long times (hundreds of years). J1 made a number line to answer the "sky's the limit" question and a labelled array to answer the big kids bonus question.

Hardly a thrilling photo, but some evidence I'm not making all of this up


So, I hereby officially give you permission, nay encouragement, to open bedtimemath.org the next evening when you don't have time or energy to have a more extensive TMWYK conversation.

Sunday, February 15, 2015

2048 vs 2584

who: J1 and J2
Where: online
When: before and during violin lessons

I don't have many games on my phone, but 2048 is there. It nicely fits J2's love of powers of 2, but J1 also really enjoys it. I will admit that I play a lot more than I think I should.

Assuming that you know the game, what do you make of this board:

Hmm, 2 and 8 are familiar, but 1, 3, 13, and 610?!

Searching recently for something related to the Fibonacci sequence, I found 2584, the Fibonacci sequence version of 2048. Thinking about it briefly, you will see why the sequence fits so nicely into this game structure. Of course, this was bound to be a favourite for the younger J's, too.

A bit of compare and contrast

J1 and J2 played back-to-back games, one round each, swapping in between. Then we talked about how the games compared. Because this was interspersed with other activities, J1 and I talked without J2 and then later got J2's opinions, but J1 waited to hear his thoughts before interjecting. Here were some snippets:


  • J0: Which one is harder? 
  • J1/J2: Fibonacci is harder. 
  • J0; what does that mean, "harder"? Is it harder to play each step or harder to keep going in the game?
  • J1/J2: Harder to play each step. For powers of 2, you just match up the number. For Fibonacci, you have to think about which numbers can combine together. 
  • J0: which one do you think is harder to keep going?
  • J1: the Fibonacci one is easier because each number can combine with two others. Like 3 can combine with 2 or 5, 5 can combine with 3 or 8, 8 can combine with 5 or 13, 13 can combine with 8 or 21.
  • ---------------
  • J0: are the games similar in anyway?
  • J2: yes, both are on a 4 x 4 grid
  • J1: yes, both have sliding number tiles that get added together
  • ---------------
  • J1: why do you win when you get 2584?
  • J0: is it the closest Fibonacci number to 2048?
  • J2: no, 1597 is closer
  • J0: Let's see, what power of 2 is 2048?
  • J2: 14
  • J0: is that correct?
  • J2: .... 11
  • J0: is 2584 the 11th Fibonacci number?
  • J2: let's count them
  • <together>: 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233 377 610 987 1597 2584. That's 18 (or maybe we should call it 17 for purposes of the game?)
  • J2: Oh, we knew it had to be more than 12 because 144 is the 12th (which is their favourite Fibonacci number right now because it is also 12 squared)

Load bearing tangents

who: J1, J2, and J3
when: at dinner
where: in the dining room

So, can you get any useful math out of Peppa Pig? I was indulging the munchkins in an episode when we came to this scene (at 3m12s):


Obviously this is just meant to be silly, but the pseudo-mathematical nonsense irked me. An alternative like "I derive solutions to equations" would have sounded nearly as complex to the target audience, would have been a (nearly) sensible job, and would have fit the quadratic formula on his whiteboard.

Anyway, one of the little ones asked: "what's a load bearing tangent?" I told them the whole thing seemed silly to me, but I understand "tangent" and "load bearing." This lead us into drawing a bunch of pictures:
- a circle with a tangent line kissing a single point
- a smooth curve with a tangent line that intersects the curve at another point
- a triangle, on which we tried to find the tangent to a non-vertex point and then a vertex point.
- two circles tangent to each other (externally)

Next we talked about "load bearing" as "carrying a weight." They understood that pretty easily because they'd spent part of the evening earlier hanging off my arms.

To round it all out, they proceeded to spend the rest of the time before bed running around, pointing at things and people, and shouting out, "there's a load bearing tangent!"

Oh, and if you think I'm only a curmudgeon when it comes to math, I'll admit this grammar nonsense also grates on my ears (at 2m25s):

Wednesday, January 28, 2015

23 isn't prime (a short bedtime story)

Who: J2 and J1
Where: bedroom
When: after lights out

Without any particular prompting, this conversation started, probably as an excuse to stay up a couple more minutes.
J2: 23 isn't prime because it is divisible by .1
J0: Interesting. What number multiplied by .1 is 23?
J2: 13
J0: Hmm. 13 x 0.1 is thirteen 0.1s, so I think that would be 1.3
<J1 and J2 proceed to guess what values for 23/0.1>
J2: it has to be a multiple of 10
<a couple more guesses
J1: 230
J0: So, if you let yourself have fractions or decimals, then 23 isn't a prime. Another way to say that is 23 isn't a prime in the rationals.
J2 (initially copying): 23 isn't a prime in the rationals. Hey, nothing is prime in the rationals!
J0: Usually when we say "prime" by itself, we are just talking about the integers, like -2, -1, 0, 1, 2. if we stick to that, what do you think about 23?
J1 and J2 together: its prime!
J1: what about e, is it prime?
<brief continuation where I say that I know some other primes and extensions of the definition of prime, but I don't know one in which e is prime>

Math lies

This reminded me of a math blogosphere exchange recently where teachers were talking about the "little white lies in math." What do I mean:
  • You can't subtract 7 from 3 (said when introducing subtraction and using a model of taking away physical objects.  
  • You can't divide 5 by 2 (distinguishing evens and odds, sharing whole objects, division within integers)
  • You can't take a square root of -5
  • You can't divide by 0
  • You can't sum +1 - 1+1 -1 +1 -1 +.... 
  • etc etc
The consensus view agreed was that these types of statements are fine, that students will get over it when they are introduced to more advanced concepts.

I don't like it.

Ideally, we would take time to explore what it would mean if you could do those "forbidden" things. If time's not available now, offer to make time later. Maybe these are luxuries for someone who doesn't have to teach to an upcoming test, so if you can't explore with them, encourage the students to think about it on their own.

At the very least, use the right words to describe what you are (not) doing: "we can't take a square root of -5 in the real numbers." Sure, not all the students will get it, but hearing this caveat will clue them in that (a) this isn't a universal rule, so something special is happening, (b) there is more coming in the future and (c) what to do with their old understanding when they are finally shown the extension/clarification

Oh well, it seems to work for us.

Monday, January 5, 2015

Goody bags (fair sharing)

Who: J1
When: before bedtime
Where: bedroom

Several months ago, I wrote a post (here) about various sharing problems and the difficult question: "What is fair?" I got distracted until I found some ready-made examples from Peter Liljedahl. J1 and I discussed his Goody Bags scenario last night.

Though it seems simple or childish, I found this activity stimulated a rather deep conversation and was really effective. I highly recommend other parents try it.

In a nutshell, you have these 40 gifts to distribute among 5 friends and want to make the distribution fair:


J1 cut out all of the pictures, spent a couple minutes putting them in piles, then we arranged them and talked about whether the allocation was fair.  Each rough column below is a goody bag:

When discussing, we didn't start with them all in a grid, but worked a column at a time, starting from the right.  that means we had two goody bags out and compared them against each other.  J1 naturally came to the arrangement that put common items side-by-side and he was careful to leave spaces where one bag got something that was missing in the other.

As we discussed, he was pretty clear that the common items weren't relevant to deciding whether the two goody bags were fair, we only needed to look at the differences. When talking about comparing unlike objects, he tended to focus on how permanent they would be and compared the difference baskets rather than individual objects within them.  For example, the two rightmost bags differ by +tatoo+sticker - kitkat - gel pen. He judged this fair because the kitkat wouldn't last long, the gel pen was nearly permanent while enjoyment of the the tatoo and sticker would both be moderately lived.

At each step, we compared the new goody bag to the single preceeding goody bag that was most similar.  Eventually, J1 proclaimed that he was satisfied with the distribution and didn't really have a preference between any of the goody bags.

We talked about some of the characteristics of his division:

  • when there were 5 of some item, everyone got one
  • when there were more than 5 of some item, everyone got at least one
  • everyone got the same total number of items.
  • no one got more than 1 duplicate

Next, we talked about how he had divided the items. He explained that he had simply done it randomly, by which he meant that he took all the items and dealt them out in a circle. I asked whether it would work well if we tried it again, so he did, but made a very important change.  This time, he dealt the items in a line and gave two items to the bags on the ends in each pass. If that's hard to picture, call the bags A, B, C, D, E and then he is giving goodies to the bags in this order:
A- B - C - D - E - E - D - C - B - A - A - B - C - D - E - E - D - C - B - A (etc).

This process gave us a very different result (not pictured) where most of the previous characteristics were violated:

  • A and E got a lot of duplicates
  • Often, someone wouldn't get an item, even if there were 5 or more

Everyone still got the same total number, but it was hard to call this split "fair."

We had a good discussion about why the results were different. This included a really interesting idea: if the process used to divide the goodies was "fair," then maybe the ending distribution is fair even if it doesn't look right.  Essentially, he was defending randomness and arguing that everyone had an equal chance to get any particular goody, so the opportunity was fair. This was a pretty sophisticated idea that I hadn't expected to hear. I think our experiment of dealing goodies in a circle vs the line method also demonstrated that apparent randomness can be thwarted with subtle systematic biases, another rather deep idea.

We moved on to discuss whether he had any personal preferences among the items. He ranked them as below, most favored on the left and least on the right. Items that are stacked are considered equal and there is some sense of spacing.



Lastly, he revealed that he had 3 strategies for attacking this challenge, to be employed sequentially, if needed:
  1. deal cards randomly
  2. swap items if they seemed to be blatantly unfair
  3. give up on the whole project and just put all his favorites in one goody bag and day-dream that he got to keep it.
J1's closing comment
When we were all done, I told J1 I was glad we had finally done this sharing challenge. He looked up and said: "oh, this is what you meant! When you said we should do the sharing challenge the other day, I thought you were going to make us share our actual toys, that's why I didn't want to do it."

J2's observation
J2 and I talked a little about this investigation. His solution was simple:

  • first row goes to bag A
  • second row goes to bag B
  • third row goes to bag C
  • fourth row goes to bag D
  • fifth row goes to bag E
  • then the remaining three rows allocated to each bag (in order) by column
He declared this fair because everyone got the same number of items and was entirely unperturbed by the idea that, for example, someone would get 5 potato-head keychains. So, maybe the conversation won't be deep with every child. Or, this indicates stages of maturity in thinking about what fairness is?

Sunday, January 4, 2015

Odd one out

who: J2 and J1
when: after breakfast
what materials: Mental Maths 7-8, Test 21



J2: Daddy, what is the correct answer?
J0: What do you think?
J1: I think it is (a) because the circle is 2-dimensional while the cone and the cylinder are 3-d.
J0: What about you, J2?
J2: I think (b) because the cone is the only one with a sharp point.
J0: Hmm. What about the cylinder? is there a reason it could be the odd one out?
<a while for thining>
J1: The circle and the cone are both used to make a pseudosphere (see yesterday!) while the cylinder isn't, so the answer is (c)!
J0: Great idea! So what does it mean to answer this type of question?
.....

What is your reasoning?

We proceeded to talk about how any of the choices could be an odd one out and that a proper answer to this type of question was at least some identified property in which the odd-one differs from the other two.  I emphasized that the best thing you can do is try to come up with as many different ideas as possible and we talked about some:
  • number of dimensions
  • number of vertices, sides, faces
  • straight vs curved sides
  • number and types of symmetries
We also talked about ideas of what other people would be most likely to list. I don't know if this is important, but I'm often curious to see ways in which they stratify their mathematical thinking. For both of them, it was very clear that being useful for making a curve of constant negative curvature (not yet how they phrased it, ha!) was a more esoteric and sophisticated property.

Those Diagrams . . .

One other thing we could have talked about: what is actually being depicted in the three choices? For examples of what these diagrams could be:
a) Circle, disc, or solid shape with circular disc base viewed from a perspective that hides teh rest of the shape
b) Cone boundary (with or without the disc at the base), solid cone, or circular segment with another circular arc forming a loop
c) cylinder boundary (with or without discs on the end), solid cylinder, or rounded rectangle with extra curve arc forming a loop

The ANSWER

In the final segment of the discussion, we guessed what was on the answer key and J2 took a look. It simply said (a). I told them that, while I could accept a lot of answers, I considered that unacceptable, made a big "X" with my arms and a buzzer sound.

Thursday, January 1, 2015

3 little number devils


Who: J1, J2, and J3, mostly engaged on separate activities (J0 and P supporting roles). Note: All activities were done together, so there is cross-talk and listening, even if I only talk about one major protagonist in each activity.
When: throughout the day (no school, so all are at home the whole day)
Where: mainly in our reception room

School is out and new year festivities are all around us. Lest you think we have been (mathematically) idle, here are some notes of how we've been keeping busy recently.

J3's 3rd counting challenge

We have a little duck sorting game, given to us years ago a by a cousin. Put the ducks on the blue escher-stream and then take turns trying to collect all of  your tribe with common belly markings.


How many ducks are there? How do you count them when they are "swimming" on their stream?

For J3, this is quite a challenge to count all the ducks when they are in motion. She is still at the stage of counting individual objects (in contrast to recognizing clusters) and then she isn't able to keep track of which have already been counted.

Since there are a nice number of ducks, we take turns grouping them in various different ways and talking about the shapes on their bellies.

Arranging and Folding

You may have noticed I created a new page of Upcoming Activities. This is where I keep notes for things I want to remember to do with the kids. True to the promise of that page, J2 and I looked at regular polyhedra and folding. These were inspired by these posts: 3d-2d and Nets&Decorations.

Tetrahedra
Starting simple is always good.  So what arrangements of 4 equilateral triangles are there? Which of these fold to a tetrahedron?

J2 found three ways to arrange 4 equilateral triangles into a contiguous polygon. Two, on the right, fold into tetrahedra while the one on the left doesn't (but is useful for making a square pyramid).


I asked him how we could tell that the three arrangements were really different. Of course, this is a strange question because we can clearly see that they aren't the same, but I persisted and asked how we can be sure that no rotation, translation, or flip will get them to be the same. We talked about this for a while and eventually came up with two ideas:

  1. For each triangle in our arrangement, how many other triangles connect to it? For the triangle, we have 1-1-1-3 while the other two have 1-1-2-2. This let us distinguish the triangular arrangement, at least.
  2. How many sides does our polygon have? The three arrangements have 3, 4, and 6 sides, respectively. This was strong enough to distinguish all of them.

In the course of discussing how many sides, someone said that one arrangement had 13 sides. I asked them to figure out why that couldn't possibly be correct (4 triangles have 12 sides when they are separate, putting them together can only reduce the number of sides).

Hexominoes/Cubes
Ok, done with tetrahedra, we moved on to cubes. What arrangements of 6 squares fold to a cube? Which don't?

We identified the longest line of squares in our arrangement as an interesting characteristic to classify and called it the "spine." We had 6-spines (just one), 5-spines, 4-spines, 3-spines, and 2-spines. For example, the picture below shows a 2-spine that does fold into a cube




It was fun seeing when J2 would realize that an arrangement did or didn't make a cube and hear his reaction. We talked a bit about how we would know whether we had tested all of the arrangements, but I won't claim we were comprehensive in this exploration. He did develop one hypothesis about 4-spines:
If both "tentacles" of a 4-spine are on opposite sides of the spine, it can fold into a cube. If they are on the same side, it cannot.
Pictures below are our cubable hexominoes and the ones that just don't work out:


At the end, I tried to rearrange things and start talking about pentominoes, but this exploration was already as long enough and he was ready to move on to something else.

How fast do Fibonacci numbers grow?

Both J1 and J2 have recently been introduced to Fibonacci numbers, powers of 2, squares, and cubes. Writing down the Fibonacci sequence, J1 said: "these are growing really fast!" I asked J1 and J2: "do they grow faster than squares?"

This led to a discussion about what my question meant. J2 pointed out that, at the beginning, the squares are growing faster. Very detail oriented he pointed to the first two Fibonacci terms (1, 1) and said "they aren't even growing at all." J1 pointed farther down the sequence and said it looked like they were much larger at some point.

Here, J2 went off to do something else while J1 and I continued talking about the sequences relative to each other. I built a simple spreadsheet and then asked what we should do to compare. Some discussion later, we decided to add the ratio of the sequences and the difference. Through both measures, we saw that, indeed, the Fibonacci sequence becomes much larger than the squares. One little observation he really liked was seeing that the twelfth Fibonacci number (144) is also the 12th square, so the sequences are equal at that point.

J1 then suggested other sequences we could compare: multiples of 100, powers of 2, powers of 3, powers of 10. We did a little to play around with powers of bases between 1 and 2, but we didn't quite get to reveal the magic of the golden ratio.  At least not this time . . .

Number Devil


J1 and I, with occasional visits from J2, have been reading The Number Devil together just before he goes to sleep. Frankly, this was a book toward which I was only lukewarm. Mainly, I wasn't sure about how our kids would take the introduction about nightmares, the relationship between the number devil and Robert, and the negative comments about the math class and math teacher. As it turns out, all of these things are fine, either not taken too seriously or accepted as proof that Robert is a bona fide little boy.

On that last point, J1 was much more attuned to the fact that Robert is supposed to be 12 years old. When we got to a point in the story where the Number Devil asks Robert when he was born (answer: 1986), J1 immediately spotted something was wrong. He didn't know right away how old Robert was, but he had a sense, perhaps from knowing roughly when the 5th graders in his school were born? We spent a bit of time calculating how old Robert would really be in 2014 and then talked about what happened with his age in the story.

Otherwise, I'm finding that most of the math in the book is at just the right level. Mostly, we are reading about things that J1 and J2 have already encountered and they enjoy seeing a slightly different spin on these topics (including silly names for them). We do most of the calculations along with the characters and generally have a grand time.